Talk:Asiatic-Pacific Theater

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Theater of Operations[edit]

This article needs much more on the administrative and operational commands. It should not be a rehash of the Pacific War. See for example:

-- PBS (talk) 14:02, 8 June 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leyte Gulf[edit]

Note that the Battle of Letye Gulf is listed in both the Central Pacific Area (under Nimitz) and in the South West Pacific Area (under MacArthur). Leyte Gulf is where Nimitz's western thrust across the central Pacific Ocean intersected MacArthur's northern thrust across the western Pacific Ocean. While the Pacific Ocean command structure was convoluted, operations were "designed to sequence the SWPA's operations with POA's forces across the central Pacific....The main purpose of sequencing is to arrange objectives/tasks in such a progression that collectively they lead to the accomplishment of the assigned ultimate objective in the shortest time possible and with the least loss of personnel and materiel." Nimitz provided, but maintained control over, Admiral Halsey's Third Fleet to cover and support Admiral Kinkaid's Seventh Fleet operating under General MacArthur. The result of this imprecise arrangement was the crisis precipitating the Battle off Samar.

Leyte Gulf was in Macarthur's Southwest Pacific Area. The battle was not fought in POA. The point is that Nimitz wore two hats. He was Commander in Chief Pacific Ocean Areas (CINCPOA), but he was also Commander in Chief Pacific Fleet (CINCPAC). Occasionally, the Pacific Fleet would conduct operations in the Southwest Pacific, as it did during the Battle of the Coral Sea in 1942, and Rabaul and Hollandia in 1944. But at Leyte Gulf Halsey was answerable to Nimitz as CINCPAC, not CINCPOA. Third Fleet was part of the Pacific Fleet. Seventh Fleet was not; it was part of the United States Fleet. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:49, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hawkeye - We seem to be in somewhat violent agreement. How do we give Nimitz credit for Palawan Passage, the Sibuyan Sea, Cape Engaño? MacArthur had zero pt zip aught naught squat to do with them. Halsey had a THIRD FLEET Area of Responsibility: PHILIPPINE ISLANDS Area exclusive of MINDANAO and SULU ARCHIPELAGO. and this task Leyte is where Nimitz's and MacArthur's efforts collided. It is the context behind the picture of FDR. Further, Halsey was operating under Nimitz’ CINCPOA Operations Plan No. 8-44 (See Appendix G) which clearly stated in paragraph 3.(x)(1): “In case opportunity for destruction of major portion of the enemy fleet offer or can be created, such destruction becomes the primary task.” And that, in turn, is background context for the Battle off Samar. My note seems correct. user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 22:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nobody reads Milan Vego for fun, including me, but his discussion of OP PLAN 8-44 is here. Email me if you'd like, and I'll send you the college's Leyte case study. Morison's copyright fees got too high. ☺ user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 15:02, 1 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hawkeye—Is there more to discuss? Would you object if I put the elided comments back? user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 17:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Gentlemen, that is the best description of the root of the problem I've seen yet. Put it back in. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 20:54, 10 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't agree of course. None of this changes the fact that it was conducted in SWPA, as MacArthur's directive makes clear. The AOR was designated by SWPA. It wasn't unusual for forces from one theatre to cross into another. And I don't see why we need to give Nimitz credit. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:13, 14 March 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Article is impertinent?[edit]

All - this article was erased. I brought it back. It maybe be badly titled, but the scholarship is solid. As a small example, there is a WW2 medal for serving in the "Asiatic-Pacific theater", members who served in any of the 4 operating areas are eligible. Another example: The US Army history is of the Asiatic-Pacific theater. user:JMOprof ©¿©¬ 15:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No it wasn't erased. But the title is incorrect. You may not have been aware I started a talkpage thread at WT:MILHIST after I redirected it. But if the title for the threater is 'Asiatic-Pacific theater' rather than 'Pacific Theater of Operations,' it should be at Asiatic-Pacific theater, which ties it to the list of U.S. Army theaters, with their associated histories, medals, etc, rather than a non-existent 'Pacific Theater of Operations'. Feel free to comment at Milhist should you wish. Buckshot06 (talk) 21:13, 18 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]